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		<title>By: Owl Pellets: Weird, Plebs, Jetsons, Ruin, Warhol, Motel 6 &#187; The Grumpy Owl &#124; The Grumpy Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owl Pellets: Weird, Plebs, Jetsons, Ruin, Warhol, Motel 6 &#187; The Grumpy Owl &#124; The Grumpy Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ruination and retrogressive images: &#8221; . . .  it seems that we are both projecting some romance backwards onto a pre-digital era, and while also creating space for images of destruction—from the subtle to the grandiose—in those same media forms.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ruination and retrogressive images: &#8221; . . .  it seems that we are both projecting some romance backwards onto a pre-digital era, and while also creating space for images of destruction—from the subtle to the grandiose—in those same media forms.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you have a great point. Zeroes and ones are the only authentic part of digital-ness---everything else is the effect they create, and we maybe feel better when they start to approximate things in the physical world.

With Instagram, it&#039;s the harkening back to the past that interests me, in particular. &quot;Authenticity&quot; is a social construction, as much as race or nationality, and those are slippery around the edges. Because it&#039;s hard to pin down, the decision of what&#039;s &quot;authentic&quot; ends up revealing itself as one of taste or emotion. When we cast a film-grain filter on a picture of us with friends, for example, it can add an extra layer of meaning: The snap becomes more than a digital representation of a moment, but also a comment about the friendship, i.e., that it&#039;s something enduring that can survive decades. It gets a kind of emotional aura.

So I guess I&#039;m looking at those filters as part of an aesthetic---as part of an emotional or taste-related choice to draw on nostalgia. After a decade of Big Things Happening, that nostalgia seems natural. We are acknowledging change and time and damage, and there&#039;s something fascinating about it. It&#039;s not just about the damage, but what *survives* the damage that gives us pause, and ideally, hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have a great point. Zeroes and ones are the only authentic part of digital-ness&#8212;everything else is the effect they create, and we maybe feel better when they start to approximate things in the physical world.</p>
<p>With Instagram, it&#8217;s the harkening back to the past that interests me, in particular. &#8220;Authenticity&#8221; is a social construction, as much as race or nationality, and those are slippery around the edges. Because it&#8217;s hard to pin down, the decision of what&#8217;s &#8220;authentic&#8221; ends up revealing itself as one of taste or emotion. When we cast a film-grain filter on a picture of us with friends, for example, it can add an extra layer of meaning: The snap becomes more than a digital representation of a moment, but also a comment about the friendship, i.e., that it&#8217;s something enduring that can survive decades. It gets a kind of emotional aura.</p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m looking at those filters as part of an aesthetic&#8212;as part of an emotional or taste-related choice to draw on nostalgia. After a decade of Big Things Happening, that nostalgia seems natural. We are acknowledging change and time and damage, and there&#8217;s something fascinating about it. It&#8217;s not just about the damage, but what *survives* the damage that gives us pause, and ideally, hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Gessert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Gessert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The link between ruin porn and post-apocalyptic themes in media are probably connected, and probably do tend to crop up in scary times—like zombie films contemporary with nuclear threat, or the 9/11 link you made. I wonder if there&#039;s a surge in urban exploration, too.

But I think Instagram may be more a case of digital society straining for authenticity by keying back to things that can be touched or felt. Like it&#039;s not so much about fading in a destructive sense—more about &#039;real&#039; photos being an object of sentimentality. The fading is seen as a style that makes all the ones and zeros feel more real — it&#039;s provenance as something destructive is just a coincidence.

So in that sense, I see retrogressive images (never heard this term before, ha—awesome!) as being more like relatives of the skeuomorphic/pseudo-tactile interfaces Apple&#039;s been bouncing around lately. It&#039;s maybe not so much that we feel uneasy with the present versus the past, but it may be that we are uneasy with things we can touch (and are therefore &#039;real&#039;) versus things we cannot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link between ruin porn and post-apocalyptic themes in media are probably connected, and probably do tend to crop up in scary times—like zombie films contemporary with nuclear threat, or the 9/11 link you made. I wonder if there&#8217;s a surge in urban exploration, too.</p>
<p>But I think Instagram may be more a case of digital society straining for authenticity by keying back to things that can be touched or felt. Like it&#8217;s not so much about fading in a destructive sense—more about &#8216;real&#8217; photos being an object of sentimentality. The fading is seen as a style that makes all the ones and zeros feel more real — it&#8217;s provenance as something destructive is just a coincidence.</p>
<p>So in that sense, I see retrogressive images (never heard this term before, ha—awesome!) as being more like relatives of the skeuomorphic/pseudo-tactile interfaces Apple&#8217;s been bouncing around lately. It&#8217;s maybe not so much that we feel uneasy with the present versus the past, but it may be that we are uneasy with things we can touch (and are therefore &#8216;real&#8217;) versus things we cannot.</p>
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